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enviornmentalists are the cause of the wildfires?
it only makes sense. I say this because back in 2001 in the state of washington 4 firefighters were killed because the were trapped and trying to get help. But, they couldnt because they had to get permission for a helicopter to get water out of this stream, for fear that some fish might die. needless to say these firefighters died. It was the enviormentalists fault for this because they own the liberal democrats who passed these stupid laws. So now we have these fires here in california and i am sure they wouldnt have been so bad had people been able to clear out alot of the over growth. But im sure the enviornmentalist said no for fear of killing some stupid fly or bug or something.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b6823b633ba.htm
gee, isnt anyone reading the article?
You’re falsely exploiting the death of four young fire crew members in Washington to ignorantly try to blame the Southern California wildfires on environmentalists?
That’s sickening and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I’ve worked repeatedly with people that were on that fire and there is no way a helicopter could have pulled water from the creek (it wasn’t a stream) that you’re referring too. In fact, several of the fire crew’s members were able to reach that creek for shelter after the fire they were suppressing blew up.
If you’d done your research you’d know that the Incident Commander is facing criminal charges (rightly-or-wrongly) for neglect on this and that poor communications was a key factor in those fatalities.
If you’re going to use FOX News as a source, try to find information they themselves haven’t already admitted was inaccurate.
The vast bulk of the fires in Southern California are on public lands. The Sierra Club after the 2003 Cedar Fire had even helped push through legislation to get homeowners throughout the region to expand their brush clear zone from 30-feet to 100-feet.
To let you and “Stalagmite” know, the USDA Forest Service (their is no “National Forest Service” Stalagmite — do your research), National Park Service (NPS), Bureau of Land Management (BLM), and the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) had control or influence over about 22,000 acres of the 400,000+ acres burned or burning in the 15 fires in Southern California. Yet all of those agencies contributed significant resources and effort to fighting those fires — regardless of land “issues”.
These fires are the results of three key factors converging at once to create a “perfect” firestorm: several severe seasons of regional drought; exceptionally high Santa Ana winds over several days; and very, very low humidity over a prolonged period. The area was basically a huge tinderbox.
My heart goes out to those that lost their homes in this disaster, but the fact is that ground fuel and overgrowth — that could have been cleared out by residents — played a big part in how massive these fires became.
A final note: Neither the Forest Service, the NPS, the DNR, or the BLM have engaged in “absolute fire suppression” in decades. Fire management is still a difficult science to grasp, but progress is being made. You should take some time to read about that.
I think you owe an apology to the families that lost loved ones at the Thirty Mile Fire and the crews that fought there. There is no excuse for what you said about that incident.
Edit: Stalagmite: I’m not confused at all — I know what each department is called, the purpose they have and how they are structured. After all, I’m the one that got the name right!
There is a huge difference between learning more about an event and exploiting that event for your own agenda. It’s very clear what this case is….